So I'd like to pick off, pick up where at least talk went off and present something in two or three parts depending on on what we feel like first, I'll go deeper than le went into what what values articulacy is I'll show you one methodology we've come up with for capturing values or sources of meaning and profiling people, profiling of people sources after that, I'll show how this can be used to create a kind of a to remedy some economic problems then if you guys want, we could go deeper. I have some sections on how to be a new kind of entrepreneur. We shall call a spade intrapreneur. And I think probably we won't have time today for a section on how this applies to large scale systems like Facebook and Amazon and things like that, how those systems might need to be redesigned. That's something I work on a lot.
Okay. So I want to follow at least talk with by going deep on values or surfaces and her talk she used these kinds of rough sentences And I want to make things a little more specific I'm going to do that in three steps say start by talking about containers. He's making some distinctions that Ali didn't make I got a I understand even when that's appropriate when you design something for meeting Then what's meaningful. In the next section on what's meaningful, I'll give a much more specific way of describing values. And finally, I'll talk about I'll end by circling back to the topics that Ellie covered and movement that we want to build together to remake the world. putting meaning first. putting meaning back in its proper place. center of things. So when do we Well, depends on when we're making what we're making. When is something about when is which when do we design with meaning at the center? Or depends on what we're making? I like to say that we can make people make things that people make buildings, rituals, and apps websites can be classified as funnels, tubes or spaces.
Micro
There's something sad about this. By focusing on those first questions, we miss everything worth celebrating; everything that makes it worthwhile to be alive. We see clearly what we want life to be rid of, but not what we want it to be full of.
This difference also affects what we make.
Imagine you’re building an educational platform. Are students there to pass the test or get a certification? Or are they there to follow their curiosity, to face their open questions, or to celebrate together the beauty and complexity of the world?
On top are things your customers want to get done, get over with; on the bottom, the things that make life worth living.
Call the things on the top our goals. We are intricately aware of them. They form a kind of superstructure—smaller goals fit into larger ones, and we are dimly aware of the whole tree. We make lists of goals, at different scales.
Call what’s on the bottom our sources of meaning. Or I often call them our values. We are much less articulate about them. We don’t see the same kinds of patterns in them, that we see in our goals.
Part of my goal in this talk is to change that. To sharpen up “sources of meaning”—make them as clearly defined as goals seem to be, and as communicable.
Level 1 - Funnels, Tubes, and Spaces
Let me start by …
See, this difference in articulacy makes things challenging for entrepreneurs. Say you interview your customers for “pain points” or “customer needs”—but what’s top of mind for both you and your customers are goals, not sources of meaning, you’ll only collect their goals.
So you’ll design for their goals.
You’ll think of yourself as building what I call a funnel or a tube, not a space. Funnels and tubes are goal-driven.
I call something a funnel if it gets everybody to do the same thing, or work on the same goal. By this definition, the checkout area in a supermarket is a funnel. So are many organizations. There's one goal for everyone.
Similarly, I'll call something a tube if it gets people from where they are to their own goal. So Amazon, and all marketplaces, are tubes. So are Google searches. Tubes accelerate everyone to their own goal.
Both are goal-driven things, that everyone involved would accelerate if they could—to get the goal accomplished more quickly.
Many entrepreneurs see all design tasks as funnels and tubes. But that’s a big mistake.
Some things aren't designed around goals at all. Instead, they are about values, or exploration according to values. I'll call those exploratory spaces.
There are
- spaces for exploratory thinking like your whiteboard, your journal, or a research lab.
- spaces for creativity, like jam sessions and brainstorms and creative tools
- spaces for chilling, like your living room
- spaces for vulnerability, like talks around a campfire, or a confession booth
- spaces for celebration like dance clubs, street riots, and festivals
These are not goal-driven. You know something is a space if you don't want it to be over quickly. You would accelerate an Amazon purchase if you could, or an uber ride, or an organizational goal. The things you do in a space are things that you would not accelerate.
Most design tasks involve a mix of these three parts.
Imagine you're making a messaging app, like Telegram or Messenger.
- Sometimes you open the app, search for who you want to send a message to, and send it. Then, the app is a tube, getting you to your goal of sending a message.
- But the messaging app is also a kind of exploratory space—a space for thinking about who you want to stay in touch with, about which kind of correspondence you want to have with who, at which kind of rhythm; a space for being thoughtful about your correspondence, for being vulnerable, and more generally for expressing whatever values you have about keeping in touch. In this sense, the messaging app is a space.
A messenger app can be thought of as a tube, or it can be thought of as a space. And there are many, many things like this.
Same with that educational platform I mentioned before. If you focus on your users’ goals, you’ll think of it as a funnel or tube. If you focus on their sources of meaning, it’s a space.
This is even true with something like advertising analytics: it may seem like your customer has a straightforward goal—to have the most people see their promoted tweets. But you could also design an advertising analytics tool as a space—a space to explore your audience, to find audiences who meet you in certain ways, to build up a certain kind of meaningful rapport in a community.
So designers can often decide whether to make a funnel, a tube, or a space.
Or—as with our messaging app—they might make a mix of all three, where each screen or UI component participate in one or more funnels, tubes, or spaces.
Level 2 - Values Cards
So far, I’ve talked about “sources of meaning” with vague words like “creativity”, “vulnerability” and “rapport”. But this won’t do. We need to make “sources of meaning” as clear and communicable as goals, fears, or feelings.
Imagine you're making a space for vulnerability, or an exploratory app for creativity. Or maybe you are expanding a network of farmers markets, and you want them to be good spaces for people to explore localism in food systems.
Well, you have two big problems in orienting your design around vulnerability, creativity, or localism.
- First, these terms are vague. Different people in your team will disagree about what 'localism' means, what 'vulnerability' means, etc.
- And this leads to a second problem: these terms are also untestable. How do you know whether vulnerability is working out? How do you avoid tricking yourself into thinking it is, or at least picking whatever definition of vulnerability is easiest, rather than what would be most meaningful?
I struggled with these problems for many years.
They're quite deep!
It took years of reading to solve them.
Here's some papers that helped me figure them out.
These are by Amartya Sen, an economist who won the Nobel prize.
These are by philosophy professors—Ruth Chang, Charles Taylor, and David Velleman.
In the the end, based on this reading, I came up with these values cards.
- The cards are specific. They drill down on a vague word like vulnerability, creativity, or localism. People care about distinct kinds of vulnerability, and you'll pick one or two to focus on in your project.
One key idea, that I got from my reading, is that values show up when we make choices.
They show up in our attention.
If you care about something, you’ll pay attention to it during a choice.
So, the center of each card tries to capture what people pay attention to, and choose by, if they have this source of meaning.
The other key idea is that values are less about concrete outcomes, more about a quality people want in their lives.
So, at the bottom of the card, it says what qualities happen, when you live by the value.
That’s it! The cards define “a value” or “a sources of meaning” (we use these terms inter-changably) in these two parts, and give it a name.
Two Kinds of Creativity
To show the power of this, consider these two kinds of creativity.
- Let's say you're into this kind of creativity—about having a lot of exciting ideas which build on each other. Usually together with a brainstorm buddy. To practice it, you need to attend to certain things: for instance, to finding the right conversational rhythm, the right kinds of reactions, and the right companions.
- Contrast that with this other kind of creativity. If you value this one, you’ll focus on different things. On your longest lasting curiosities, how you can study them over time, and where to pursue them deeply.
Different Designs
Even though these are both kinds of creativity, they call for different designs.
- Think about someone who finds meaning in the first kind. They’d be well-served by a social environment that makes it easy to find that buddy, or test different buddies out, and where there’s low stakes, and a lot of quick thinking.
- But someone who values the second kind of creativity may need a quieter environment, or one where any social pairings involve much more context.
Put Person B in environment A, and they won't be able to pay attention to those long lasting curiosities, they won’t have a chance to do deep work.
And vice versa: put person A in environment B, and they won't be able to find someone to brainstorm with and do creative riffing.
Lesson
That’s an important fact. The attentional paths that are written on these values cards let us differentiate one kind of creativity from another; one kind of vulnerability from another, and one kind of localism from another.
And they let us be rigorous about whether a kind of creativity (or whatever) is happening in our designs. It’s simple: for a value to really be happening, people must be attending to what’s on the card, and choosing by it.
If, in your design, people can attend to these particular types of things, and make their choices by them, congratulations—people are able to live by their value within the space you made.
Level 3 - Emotions and Values
It’s eye opening to find out the sources of meaning for the people around you.
One way you can do that is by asking about the spaces they need in their lives: which spaces are responsible for their most meaningful experiences? What were those spaces good at?
Another way to learn about them is to look into people's emotions. Emotions point to values that are working out, or not working out.
See:
- If I'm angry, one way to interpret that is that something important to you me—a way I want to live—is blocked. The thing that's blocked—that way I want to love—can be written as a values card.
Similarly:
- if I'm sad, it might be because some terrible thing has placed me far away from a way I want to live.
- If I'm grateful, some fortunate event has brought me in contact with a way I want to live.
In each case, the way I want to live can be written as values card.
Whatever I'm feeling, whether it's a positive or negative emotion, will point to something important to me, something that can written as a values card.
Making these cards, and finding values in feelings—these are two of the best ways I know to get clear on your own values and the values of the people you love. Once you see each emotion points to a value, your understanding of your sources of meaning sharpens right up.
Level 4 - Universe of Meaning
There’s one other advantage of these values cards. As you collect them, trade them, and make them, you start glimpsing what I’ll call “the universe of meaning” — what the space of values is, with everyone's sources of meaning all together.
It’s interesting! The collection of all sources of meaning—this collection is smaller than the collection of all goals, or the collection of all preferences. It’s smaller but it’s still endlessly surprising, and always changing.
Re goals
Remember, values cards are limited to things you’ve actually paid attention to, and found meaning in paying attention to, so they always cut right to what’s real, and meaningful, where you’ve already had the experience.
This is different than the collection of all goals, which includes many far-off goals. Goals like “get rich like Elon Musk”. Or goals people only have because they hope they’ll lead to something good later. Goals like “impress so-and-so at the bar.”
Of course, these goals relate to our values. With some goals, we hope accomplishing them brings us closer to our values. For instance, maybe you think that getting rich would allow you to finally spend time playing music.
With other goals, they provide a venue, or social context for our values. For instance, if I find meaning a kind of visual creativity, I might set a goal of publishing a weekly comic with a friend, to create a venue for that source of meaning.
So goals relate to sources of meaning, but vastly outnumber them.
Re prefs
It’s similar with preferences. The collection all preferences includes taste preferences, like the preference for chocolate cake, or goth make-up. And it includes ideological preferences like the preference of Trump or Biden.
Some preferences are deeply expressive of your sources of meaning. For instance, if you love nature and prefer a certain forest which had a quality that opens your heart.
Other preferences might be quite strongly held, but only related to your sources of meaning by a long train of inferences.
Perhaps you think, if Trump wins, things will get worse for your family, and the forests will be cut down. That’s why you prefer Biden. The connection between your source of meaning and the preference is distant.
If you collect sources of meaning directly, instead of preferences, you cut right to what’s precious and immediate about being alive. The basic ways of living, choosing, and attending, which a person finds meaningful. The things we need spaces for.
âś…Â Conclusion
So, that’s the talk.
In each chapter, I covered some of what it takes to be a space-trepreneur.
- From chapter one, the idea to break your design into funnels, tubes, and spaces. The “job to be done” for each part of your design, depends on whether supporting a space, a funnel, or a tube.
- In chapter two, I introduced values cards. Values cards are the design criteria for spaces. They let you collect what's meaningful for the people around you, as a new type of demand.
- In chapter three, I introduced hard steps. Hard steps help you switch from designing flows to designing containers, for thinking in engagements to thinking in relationship-building steps.
- And finally, in chapter four I introduced legitimation processes, an alternative to designing incentives systems, recommenders, or networks of private groups.
If you compare space-trepreneurs with traditional entrepreneurs, you see three big differences:
- Space-trepreneurs pay attention to a different part of people. They pay attention to their sources of meaning and the hard steps of living by them.
- Space-trepreneurs also build different things. Instead of making funnel, tubes, flows, engagement loops, incentive structures, recommender systems, or networks of private groups, they build spaces and legitimation processes.
- Finally, space-trepreneurs ask different questions as they prototype.
- Can people live by their values in their space? In other words, can they pay attention to the things in the middle part of the values cards? Can they make choices based on that information?
- Can they make the relationship-building moves? Can they create the settings and moods? Can they legitimate their contributions?
If the answer’s yes, it’s a space where people can live by their values. A space of meaning, agency, and self-expression. A good space.
So, space-trepreneurship is a different art form.
There's a kind of progression as people learn it.
- First, they get clear on their own sources of meaning. They use their emotions to discover them. Meaning becomes tangible, definite, and actionable.
- They start to collect sources of meaning from those they love. Family members, housemates, etc. They start admiring these people for the kinds of meaning they're clued into, and making space for it.
- They learn about hard steps. They redesign their own lives to make their sources of meaning easier, day-by-day. They make things meaningful on purpose.
- Finally, they get interested to do the same thing at larger scales. They break down complex products and services into funnels, tubes, and spaces, they design legitimation processes, and so on.
If you'd like to go through this process yourself, I have a free textbook online. And I’ll personally administer tests while you go through it, to make sure you can write values cards well, interview people about their sources of meaning, identify hard steps, design legitimation processes, and so on.
So, I’ll test you for free, and you can use the text. If you want more structure and support, there’s a course. We call it the School for Social Design. It starts with a five-week intro about developing a shared language of meaning, together with the other participants in your group.
But, of course, training and connecting space-makers is just the first step. The goal is to help them occupy their right place in the economy, to align markets with meaning and togetherness.
There are many opportunities.
For instance, so many institutions have become funnels, that should really be spaces.
This includes institutions of democracy, science, and education. These have moved away from the sources of meaning that made them work.
Space-makers can start alternatives to these, but there’s perhaps a more exciting and direct approach.
Imagine there was a membership organization for space makers and for others who want to bring about the meaning economy.
Such an organization could so many fun things:
- It could send members on little
missions
— they could collect sources of meaning from the people around them, making their lives meaningful on purpose, etc. - It could host
conferences and other local events
.
Thinking a little bigger,
- One of my dreams is to make a
values-based redesign “kit”
that students at a university, or scientists at a lab, or citizens in a town, can use to overthrow the funnel-based designs they are stuck inside. They can get clear on their sources of meaning that are oppressed, and what needs to change, then they can pressure administrators to make those changes. - Those missions and kits would benefit from having kind of an
online database
— a kind of Wikipedia of values and space designs. This membership org could oversee that database. - It could also oversee
research
— - I'm excited to use our values cards to
align AI
(especially recommender systems). Wouldn't it be great if YouTube or Facebook’s Feed tried to help you live according to your sources of meaning—and if it was judged by its ability to help? - I believe there’s also
economics research
to be done. - I can imagine membership structures, and financial instruments that explicitly reward spaces, rather than other kinds of entrepreneurial projects.
- Most ambitiously, the structure of currency and payments could change on a deep level, to take people's sources of meaning into account. Imagine if every dollar spent counted more, if it was aligned with your sources of meaning, less if it wasn't. Or if everyone subscribed to a “meaning insurance” provider, which had the mandate to make things as meaningful as possible.
So, all that’s what we want to work on, next.
We'll need lots of smart, capable people, to do it.
The school
could use someone to liase with funds and accelerators who could teach their founders how to space-make.- We think
The membership org
—the one working towards a meaning-aligned future—this could be really special. We envision it as having aspects of a city-by-city brand, like SoulCycle or Soho House, aspects of a local economy, and aspects of a social movement, like Effective Altruism or Extinction Rebellion. So we’re looking for founders who’ve grown membership-based communities, and we’re looking for movement builders. For the research
we’re looking for veterans from the machine learning and mechanism design fields to be principle investigators or research directors.- Finally,
for that database of sources of meaning and practices
, it already exists! I made the first version, but to take it further, we need a chief of product.
So if you know someone who’d be perfect, that’s one of the main ways you could help.
But also: all these ideas require space-makers, and a shared language of meaning.
So that’s the main way you can help. Become a space-maker. Develop a shared language of meaning.
We can start there.
Scroll Credits
Students. I'd like to thank my students at Facebook, Khan Academy, even.com, Google Mozilla, and many others, who came to me over years with their toughest social design problems. They had to deal with many false leads as I slowly figure out which design frames change the game.
Team. I'd like to thank my current team—including Sam, Ben, and Ellie—and previous team members Jacob, Nathan, and Anne, who contributed to this work.
Peers. Oh, and philosophers and sociologists whose work I build on, most notably Amartya Sen.
I'd like to thank the philosophers and psychologists in which this work is based, most notably, Charles Taylor, Amartya Sen. Ruth Chang, David Velleman, James Gibson. And
And colleagues like Jonathan stray for many good discussions
funding from stripe etc.
âś…Â Intro
Travel back to 2008. The first iPhones were out. I was working at Couchsurfing, and it was growing fast. Meetup.com and Wikipedia were all the buzz. Flashmobs were booming! Anyone remember Improv Everywhere? It was the “sharing economy”! And back then, that meant an economy of gift-giving, not one where everyone rents and no one owns.
It seemed—to me and many others—that the internet was bringing us a better economy where people work together on giant projects like Couchsurfing, Wikipedia, and Linux. A big step, I thought, in the direction of meaning and togetherness. Love was be the new motivator. Money would fade away. I believed!
By 2012, I’d sobered up. By then, Facebook’s News Feed and YouTube had not only replaced TV, but had added hours of screen-time per person per day. The “attention economy”. In alarm, Tristan Harris and I cofounded the Center for Humane Tech.
Actually, it wasn’t called “the Center for Humane Tech” — it was called “Time Well Spent”. This was part of my proposal to fix the problem. At CouchSurfing, we had tried to maximize the amount of meaningful time our users spent with each other, rather than any measure of transactions. Tristan and I thought that if more people did this—maximized “Time Well Spent” instead of “Time Spent”—it would fix the tech industry.
Zooming Out
So, I was pretty naive when I thought that flashmobs were the new economy. But I was still naive in 2012. I didn’t see the larger trends. After Humane Tech, I came to believe that the problem wasn’t with tech, actually.
It was with markets more broadly. I started reading economics, economic history, and social theory.
Individual vs Collective
I discovered that markets and the internet have a weird bias—they tend to give people individual experiences, not collective ones.
Now, people do want collective things: they want belonging, connection, community, love, they want adventures together. But if you look at long-term trends, we get of these things year-by-year.
In most developed countries, people used to hang out on the porch with their neighbors, or in pubs; then they started watching TV as a family; then they switched to multiple TVs, one in each room in the house; finally the TVs got upgraded to smartphones. Each person staring at their own rectangle of glass.
Over the same period, church communities got replaced by individualized yoga classes; dating and friend groups got replaced by swipe-based apps and porn.
Now, this seems quite strange. The whole purpose of markets and of the internet is to “give us what we want”. And clearly they’ve massively increased the choice available:
- we can buy pants from around the world,
- or learn moves from an obscure breakdancer in Japan.
You’d think, this explosion of choice—that because of this, many more people would get exactly what they wanted out of life. But—at least with collective things—that’s not what happens.
Sure, some apps or websites might be good for community for a moment. I guess Couchsurfing was one. If you work on one of those, like I did, you might feel you’re changing the trend. But zoom out a little and—no, sorry, the trend’s still there.
Taste vs Meaning
And here’s another trend: one way the internet’s increased choice, is via giant marketplaces. Amazon. The App Stores. They have something for everyone. They embrace the differences between people. You can find the right options, just for you, whether you’re a goth teen, a recumbent bicycling enthusiast, or a cake decorator.
But there’s a kind of difference between people they’re not so good at. Everyone has different sources of meaning—you may find it meaningful to be wildly creative; she may find it meaningful to be quietly contemplative; they may find it meaningful to love and be loved deeply. We vary as to what’s meaningful to us, but that’s a difference that markets and the internet don’t identify and serve.
So it’s easy to satisfy your obscure tastes, than to make your life meaningful. You end up with a perfect coffee blend, but no creativity, no contemplation, nothing you really want.
Thesis Statement 🙂
So, you might be thinking: perhaps this is okay? Markets and the internet have given us a lot! Maybe the isolation and meaninglessness is worth the other stuff?
Or maybe you’re thinking: coffee blend? this sounds like a first world problem.
And yes, in a way it is a first world problem. And in a way the trade-off was worth it, so far.
But it’s fast becoming a problem for everyone on Earth, and a very serious one.
- The problem with togetherness has gotten so bad, that it’s breaking politics and social trust. That’s bad for everyone.
- The problem with meaning, I’ll show, is also breaking the engines of progress—like science and democracy—which are needed by everyone.
- In the developed world, these problems are breaking the basic cycles of love and dating, breaking schools, dissolving communities.
So, we should understand why markets and the internet have this bias, and do something about it.
Contents
- I’ll first try to clear up the problem. What do I mean by “meaning”? Where exactly do markets and the internet fail?
- But most of this video is about a solution. I think markets and the internet can be fixed. They can be brought back in line with the our needs for meaning and togetherness. Doing so, I claim, will involve getting much more specific about meaning. Developing a “shared language of meaning”, so we can talk about meaning as precisely as we currently talk about styles of blue jeans, categories of videos, and other things on the internet.
- I believe that businesses, apps, and products can be made that offer people this meaning honestly. In other words, that entrepreneurs can make things meaningful, on purpose. I’ll say how.
- Finally, I’ll cover the special problems of meaning and togetherness at large scales.
🎙️ Space-trepreneurs
I won’t talk much about the top two—about the ideology and the hustle. Wait for another video about that, by my colleague, Ellie Hain.
But with the bottom four, I think there are clear paths to action:
- You’d want to make demand them easier to recognize, by changing customer surveys, user research, product success metrics, etc.
- You’d want to make that demand easier to meet, with new design methods.
- You'd want to help consumers discover their sources of meaning and make it easier for them to find each other.
- You’d want to build meta structures to serve space-makers.
- SoMs are hard to collect for entrepreneurs
- We'd want to make demand for spaces easier to recognize. By changing customer surveys, user research product success metrics,
- People have difficulty shopping for spaces
- People have difficulty recognizing all the advantages of togetherness
- You'd want to spread articulacy among consumers, about their sources of meaning and help consumers who share sources of meaning find each other.
- People get redirected away from spaces into hustle, even though spaces are what they really want
- If we could, we'd want to interrupt the hustle loop by demonstrating to people that their lives can be immediately meaningful if they follow their sources of meaning in an immediate way.
- Entrepreneurial meta-structures are biased towards funnels and tubes
- We'd want to make that demand easier to meet. Changing design methods.
- We'd want to build meta structures that serve space makers and create kind of a community and identity for space makers. So that they can see that this new metal structures have a clear constituency.
- And substitute social glues have been taking over
- And we'd also want to interrupt is the spread of ideology which we could perhaps do by creating small groups by finding local scenes that can be held together by meaning instead of ideology and then growing the number of such scenes are their size
How could we do that?
I think there’s a way to do all of it in one move!
The idea is to label a new kind of entrepreneur. A “Space-trepreneur.”
Now, space-trepreneurs already exist:
- Many game designers like the designers of Roblox and Minecraft are spacetrepreneurs.
- The founders of Burning Man are spacetrepreneurs.
- The people who set up Bell Labs and Xerox PARC are spacetrepreneurs.
Of course, these projects aren’t pure spaces. They involve a mix of funnels and tubes, too. But the people who made them clearly focused on the spaces. So I’ll call them “spacetrepreneurs”.
Spacetrepreneurs exist, but there’s no shared identity, and no common set of skills.
- Ideally, a spacetrepreneur would be able to interview or survey customers about they’re sources of meaning, even when those customers don’t know themselves.
- Ideally, spacetrepreneurs would have special design skills, to parse a project into funnels, tubes, and spaces, and to systematically design for spaces .
Most importantly, a shared identity for spacetrepreneurs would speed the development of entrepreneurial meta-structures to serve them.
- They’d have their own funding structures—funding that makes bets on meaning, not on transactions.
- They’d have their own product success metrics and design methods—focused on whether people can live well in a space.
- They could grow their customer base by helping people get in touch with their sources of meaning.
And more!
- Recommender systems for meaningful things.
- Financial tools that help consumers focus on meaning.
In a way, this wouldn’t be so special. There are many specialized entrepreneurial communities. Consider organic farming. Or “zebras unite”, a community of alternative tech entrepreneurs. These groups have their own funding and legal structures, their own metrics and certifications, etc.
But I believe that a community is space-trepreneurs, if they can reliably, honestly, and systematically deliver life meaning—would be substantially more powerful than the organic farmers or the zebras, because life meaning is such a central concern for human beings, and because the rest of the economy has done such a bad job at it.
People care about organic farming for all sorts of environmental and health reasons. But everyone would want in on part of the economy, if it could deliver meaning and togetherness.
Bullshit Economy → Meaning Economy
It would also be socially transformative.
A society with many more spaces would change things.
- It would have
more social capital
. A stronger “social fabric”, “civil society”, “third sector” — whatever you want to call it. The amount of trust or social capital in a society has a ton of be benefits—it correlates with how well institutions function, what some people call “state capacity”. It correlates with how people band together in emergencies—how resilient they are. Increasing social capital is great. - I think it’d also
decrease the use of substitute social glues
. In particular, people would use meaning to connect instead of ideology, that's another way to say it’d decrease political polarization. That decreases the likelihood of war, civil unrest, and so on, and just makes things better in many ways. - Third, a society with more spaces would also
help with things like science and democratic progress
. In the last 100 years, institutions that were designed as spaces—like organizations for exploratory research (with its research labs and career grants) and deliberative democracy (with its town halls, citizens assemblies, and so on). These institutions were re-fashioned as funnels. What we call democracy now is a system of massive ideological funnels for riling people up—at least nationally. But it used to be a system of spaces for deliberation, discussion, and debate. Something similar happened to science and to education. An economy that’s strong on spaces, would help us restore these institutions. - Fourth,
fewer people would be redirected away from spaces.
- And finally, people would be a lot
more discerning about meaning
. Competition would form to make things as meaningful as possible. Bullshit jobs wouldn’t make the cut. Neither would the corporate and organizational structures that don’t support meaningful work.
It’d end the attention economy—all the doomscrolling, polarization, and internet outrage. It’d end the “consumption economy”—everything people use their discretionary time or money for, but which leaves them isolated, and disempowered.
It’d end the fake out businesses, that claim to be about ”community”, “sharing”, “adventure”, or “love”—but don’t deliver. That includes the dating apps which are funnels rather than spaces. That includes many web3 projects which aim to reinvent democracy and community but are stuck in funnels-based, incentives-based designs.
All that wasted effort, time, and money would be reallocated to what’s meaningful.
It’d be the start of a “meaning economy”.
That may seems hard to believe.
So, let’s make it more concrete and more believable.
- In the next chapter, I'll cover how a shared language of meaning can be the basis for new customer surveys, product success metrics, and eventually funding.
- After that, I'll talk about how, when you know someone's sources of meaning, you can make a space that works for them—you can make things meaningful for them on purpose.
- In the last chapter, how spaces can stay meaningful, even as they scale up.
Summing Up
So, listening for people’s sources of meaning is part of how space-trepreneurs find demand for spaces.
Say you know Alfred has a particular source of meaning, and he agrees. It’s way easier to make a good space for him. You can point to his source of meaning and ask: is this space a great place to attend to those things? To choose in these ways? How could it be better?
When you have that conversation with Alfred, you're detecting that demand, and trying to serve it.
That can be the basis for new user research, new customer surveys, new product metrics, and new design methods.
Not Just a Business Technique
But it’s not just a business technique!
- For me, it led me to reevaluate my purpose in life. I used to think serving others meant accelerating them towards their goals, or meeting their preferences. I thought that’s what “being a good person” was. Now, I’m a good person of a different sort. I attend to the emotions around me, and the stories of what people find meaningful, and I make space for people’s sources of meaning.
- I also began appreciating a wider variety of people. Different people have discovered different ways that life can be meaningful. Gathering values, I started admiring people, every day—seeing a kind of meaning they're clued into, that I hadn’t seen before. Learning all the time.
- My personal life got more loving, because I saw the advantages of togetherness more clearly, and could communicate them.
- Meaning became more real. When I discovered my sources of meaning were shared and concrete things, I could be more straightforward about them. I also became less ideological. I no longer needed ideas about far-off, utopian meaning. Meaning was all around me.
- Finally, it became easier to see when other motives pulled me away from my sources of meaning—motives like fitting in, being successful, living up to obligations, etc. I became less attached to my goals, and to the expectations of others.
So, developing a shared language of meaning has a lot of upsides.
Macro
So, with this terminology, there’s a new way to speak about the central problem of the talk. Instead of asking why the internet and markets are so bad at togetherness, and so bad at meaning, we can ask—why are there so few spaces, and so many funnels and tubes?
If we imagine a society without spaces, only tubes and funnels, such a society would have problems. Are these problems familiar? Are our spaces are disappearing?
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Ambitious goals—like curing all diseases or mapping the brain—require exploratory spaces. So, a society without spaces would be incapable of ambition.
More broadly, institutions like science and democracy would break down. Their funnels (for winning political campaigns, riling up voters, ramping citation counts, etc) would hypertrophy, taking up a ton of our attention, while the relevant spaces (where scientists and citizens explore values like civic responsibility, epistemic humility, and the passionate pursuit of the truth) would atrophy. We'd have degenerate, funnel-only versions of democracy and science. These would be terrible places: without values to keep them in check, perverse incentives would compound.
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Social connections would unravel without spaces. Funnels and tubes tend towards relationships that are transactional, rather than deep or exploratory, because people want to achieve their goals quickly and without risk. Transactions (short-lived, predictable, and simple) are the most minimal kind of relationship, where both parties stay atomized, and there's no possibility of surprise. [fnTransaction]
Those limited, transactional relationships aren't enough. So a society without spaces would have less trust, less social cohesion. There would be spikes in drug addiction, suicide, etc.
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There's another consequence of people's desire to achieve goals quickly and without risk: the elimination of surprise. Funnels and tubes emphasize efficacy and predictability, and these take precedence over other values like creativity, boldness, vulnerability, embodiment, etc.
We use a blanket word for these values: meaning. In a good space, we explore what's meaningful to us—not what's efficacious. Spaces are where you can live expressively, and treat yourself as a source of surprise.
So, without spaces, there'd be a "meaning crisis". People would grab at sources of promised meaning, like radical politics and get rich quick schemes, and they'd try to fill the holes, but that wouldn't work out.
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Finally, a life without spaces would be exhausting. Every encounter would be about getting something done and moving on to the next thing to get done. Sometimes it's your own goals; sometimes, other people's. Completing one checkbox just brings you to the next, never to a space for relaxation or open-ended exploration.
People would race around, looking for spaces, but not finding them. This would make them exploitable: funnels would dangle the vague promise of a space in front of them: "buy this beer and be loved by friends", "take this online course, get rich, then you'll be able to relax and explore". But these would never deliver, because even the drunk, rich people would lack spaces. It'd all be a tremendous waste.
Actually Less Demand
Or—I think we can actually break this question into two.
- To some extent, people are aware of spaces, and know they could spend time in them, but other things feel more pressing. That is, spaces feel
less important
than funnels and tubes. - But there are also—I think—many situations where people yearn for spaces. Where spaces are
important, but unavailable.
Why would spaces seem less important than they used to be?
Perhaps part of it, is people came to think they need to hustle first.
They think: “After I can get my goals finished, and gather enough money, I’ll escape these funnels and tubes. I’ll find a space.”
But for now, they’ve got to focus on funnels and tubes. So spaces feel less important, in the short term.
Another factor is nihilism. In the West people often think of meaning as a thin, vague layer of purely-personal paint, atop the hard, shared facts of reality. Or they try to make meaning an eventual state, when there’s finally social justice, when we Occupy Mars, or when America is Great Again. That makes it harder to really believe in one’s sources of meaning, to put them in the center of life, and to pursue spaces in a straightforward way.
And here’s a third factor: spaces were considered more important a few decades ago, because people saw them as holding society together.
To make society work, you need some kind of social glue. Spaces and meaning are one such glue—often called the “social fabric”, the “civil society”, the “third sector”, “social capital”.
They’re not the only glue though. For instance, when a society has few spaces, it often has more ideology
. When there are lots of spaces, people cooperate because of shared meaning and practices. When there’s lot’s of ideology, people cooperate because of social pressure, and because of common ideological enemies. Ideological leaders build massive funnels to rile up their base against the other side.
Incentives structures
can also be a form of social glue. If everyone’s trying to afford real estate, or to be named employee-of-the-month, that can also cause a limited form of cooperation.
In general, we have a strong need to cooperate, but that need has been directed more towards ideology and incentives, and less towards spaces and shared meaning.
A group with shared tastes is a kind of degradation—if you get together a group of shared tastes and try to serve them as a group. You're often in a position where you can offer less personalization than you could if you took each person as an individual.
Harder to Find Demand
That means a reprioritization of other things over spaces.
But I don’t think that reprioritization is the main thing, with the decline in meaning and togetherness.
Because, in terms of time and money spent, it looks like spaces are still a pretty big priority.
People are searching for love, for community. They’re still spending time and money. That tells me the other side of things is big—spaces are still important, but not available.
Here’s the key insight: it’s not enough for demand to be out there. A business has to find that demand, and meet it.
Think about making a new business. You experiment with different offerings, different feature sets, until you hit upon what’s sometimes called “product market fit”—the point when your offering resonates with customers, and delivers on their needs.
Content creators also do this—experimenting with styles and formats. App-makers show mock-ups to their friends, and so on.
All “creators” are searching for demand.
- We use customer surveys and interviews to search for it.
- Design methods are part of the search process.
- Product success metrics are ways to detect demand.
- If customers can answer questions about their goals far more easily than about sources of meaning, then all these processes—customer surveys, user research, and metrics—will be more sensitive to goal-related demand. You might start out trying to make a space for exploratory thinking, but end up making a productivity app, just because your customers’ productivity-related-goals are top-of-mind.
- But let’s say you are a special kind of entrepreneur—you can magically talk to people about their sources of meaning, even when they’re inarticulate about them.
- But it doesn’t stop there. Let’s you’re an even special-er kind of entrepreneur. Not only can you collect sources of meaning from the inarticulate, you can magically design good spaces, using new design methods you invented.
- Okay, but you are a truly special entrepreneur, who manages to collect meaning-related information, design for it, and somehow to scale. Well, you might struggle with advertising and marketing.
Your design methods may lead you astray. The most dominant design trainings are UX and incentives design. But they’re all about moving people along through funnels, smoothing out their experience, reducing choice, and incentivizing or entertaining them along the way.
Even if you wrote down space-criteria, following these design methods will bring you towards serving funnel demand, not space-demand.
Well, you’ll still have to justify your project to colleagues, funders, employees, and customers. If they’re inarticulate about meaning, you’ll struggle: you’ll struggle to tell employees what meaning-related targets to hit; or to plan around meaning, etc.
You won’t be able to talk to funders—if they mostly understand funnels and tubes success, they’ll wanna fund funnels and tubes.
So it will be hard to scale your space.
That’s so different from if your project was based on tastes: imagine you were raising money or assembling a team to open a bubble-tea shop—you can point at an expanding market for bubble tea, talk to bubble tea-lovers about their preferences, etc. Right now, you can't do that with meaning.
See, to get excited about spaces, people need to imagine coming together with other people with similar sources of meaning, and practicing together. If I value a certain kind of vulnerability, I’ll be excited to gather with others who share that value and be vulnerable together. And a group that values a particular creativity will be excited to be creative that way together.
But that excitement only spreads if your customers realize they share a source of meaning. Otherwise, they won’t see the potential, and your space will struggle.
Without knowing their source of meaning, your customers will struggle to evaluate your space: They might hear a friend say your space was meaningful—but will they feel the same?
Next door, there’s a businesses claiming to be about ”community”, “sharing”, “adventure”, or “love”—words that suggest a space. But it’s not a space. It’s smart marketing, slapped on a funnel. Some of your customers might go over there, cause they can’t evaluate those claims.
And god forbid, what if you need to put your business on a social network, recommender system, or two-sided marketplace? These all exist to serve the existing stock of entrepreneurs. YouTube Recommended and the TikTok algorithm are meta-funnels—they exist to help funnel-people ramp their subscriber count. So they funnel people into smaller funnels.
Part of the bias, we could say, is due to transaction costs
:
To know your sources of meaning, you have to introspect. That’s a transaction cost. On top of that, you’d need tosearch
for other people who’ve also done that introspecting and somehow shared their results. And you’d need tocoordinate
a group action together. Those costs are hard to overcome, so the advantages of togetherness get buried.
- funders and meta-structures
- alt social glues
- hustle
…
Really?
All these factors make it harder to find the real demand for spaces, demand that’s already out there. I believe there’s an ocean of lost demand.
The way an economist would say it, spaces are “under-provisioned” — they’re under-represented in the market, given how strong demand is, and how cheaply it can be addressed.
I think it’s clear that this is true. That spaces are under-provisioned.
Others will disagree.
Some think spaces are inherently less scalable, or always have worse unit economics. Or that isolation and meaningless entertainment is everyday people “really want”.
I spent about five years reading on these topics (funded by a generous grant from stripe). I don’t think those other theories are well supported by data or economic theory.
I could go into why, but I want this video to be short, and focus on solutions!
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Couchsurfing vs airbnb
Evidence in their favor. For instance, it does seem that a little bit of training about interviewing people about sources of meaning leads people to change their mind. Customer Reviews, product success metrics, and so on. This is something that I been able to verify and my course leads people to do better and recognizing what spaces are good for them. And see more reasons to gather motivate their friends to gather using their new articulacy. So, these are immediate effects of literacy in naming sources of meaning that I think I have pretty good evidence in terms of the Conklin current complex loops. I think I've also seen some evidence here. When people articulate about their sources of meaning they hustle less. They're less faked out by the idea that you need to hustle first. And, at least in small groups, they're better able to build alternate social glues and this does seem to meet to be correlated again with a very small sample size to be correlated with a dramatic reduction. In ideology and incentive spaced coordination so that's some evidence in favor of this theory. I think the weakest part is questions about meta structures. So we have a group working on that
- Hustle. this seems related to hustle you Europe has less hustle. As more spaces more people have space making jobs. So it's less obvious that you need to do funnels and tubes first.
- Language of meaning. And also the societies which have the richest language of meaning For instance, religious societies tend to be rich and spaces.
- Meta-structures. Europe for instance has better meta structures for spaces including art grants, support for religious institutions and so on.
- Social glues. Societies with at least ideology and least incentive structures seem to have the most space making this is even true on a level of individual organizations, families, that kind of thing. Europe has more spaces, less ideology although it’s swinging in the wrong direction and may soon follow the US and UK.
So, let’s roll with these six causes!